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JimR
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 Posted - 11/05/2009 : 10:21:48 AM
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I read a lot about coyotes around farms, but I do not think I have read about any actually attacking alpacas. I have read that coyotes hunt for food, as compared to dogs who kill for fun. Has anyone actually seen a coyote attack? I am asking because we have had a pack of four around us and our neighbors properties for a couple months now. They seem to be getting more brazen. My neighbor saw them on her front lawn night before last. They were also on my other neighbors patio, and she is very close to me distance wise. I have 5 foot pipe no climb fence, but if they really wanted in I am sure they would get in. Has anyone ever actually seen them attack? I have 4 young cria(that I lock in a pen close to the house at night with the girls)I worry about.
Susan Rempe
Four Corners Alpacas
Bloomfield NM
River11524@msn.com
www.AlpacaNation.com/fourcorners.asp
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box cars
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 11:07:48 AM
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We have had coyotes around our farm forever. Alpacas are not on their food list. I lost a few geese that got to far from the pond at night to them. On like dogs coyotes don't climb fences.
Ken
Ken & Pat Humbert
Pondview Alpaca Ranch
5088 Booth Rd.
China, Mi. 48054
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kipaca
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 11:50:27 AM
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I hope you are right about coyotes not being able to climb fences....they sure do not have any problem going under an electric fence. I had a coyote in the boy's pasture earlier this summer, he was hunting the wild turkeys....but still....he did not seem to even feel the zap of the fence as he went back under.
Laila
Laila V Roukounakis
Graceland Alpaca Farm
Lisbon Falls, Maine
207-353-2171
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gatewayfarm
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:15:40 PM
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Neighbors across the creek and across the road have both lost sheep to coyotes.
We haven't seen one any closer than about a quarter mile (the creek and road seem to create a natural barrier). Our old dog has been pretty good at keeping the property rid of "intruders" as well.
I would not minimize the risk that coyotes represent. I think that Suzanne Core (High Spice Alpacas in Colorado) lost several animals to coyotes a number of years ago - going from memory here, so I could be wrong. I know she loaded up on LGD's after the loss.
Gateway Farm
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smonat
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:22:41 PM
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Coyotes killed 3 alpacas at a large farm in Westfield, MA last summer, June 2008 I think. I wouldn't be too comfortable thinking that coyotes won't hurt the alpacas. If a coyote is hungry enough or is trying to feed young ones in the dead of winter when food is scarce, I would be very much worried about them near the alpacas. Also, if a coyote is rabid, the danger is even greater. Everyone - please be careful if they are in your area.
Sue Monat
Happy Hearts Alpaca Farm
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starlingfarms
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bobvicki
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 2:08:29 PM
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If a coyote is hungry enough or is trying to feed young ones in the dead of winter when food is scarce, I would be very much worried about them near the alpacas.
Susan,
This was exactly what I was thinking! I had a coyote hanging around within 200 yards of our alpacas when we lived in Nebraska, it was mangy and terrible looking so was probably sick or wounded and the corn fields had been harvested so food was probably harder to get.
Bob
Bob & Vicki Blodgett
Suri Land Alpaca Ranch
3288 Halter Avenue
Newton, Iowa 50208
641-831-3576
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Upperfarmnic
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 3:00:07 PM
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Of course alpacas would be on their food list. Alpaca = prey animal = menu item. Good fencing, electric hotwire, LGDs and firearms are your best protection against coyotes.
Coyotes are opportunistic so if it's difficult to get to livestock they won't waste their energy. On the other hand, if they have the opportunity they'll take it, and no prey is too big if coyotes think they can take them down.
We have customers whose family raises cattle and twice they have lost cows while giving birth alone and prone. My husband's aunt lost a cow and calf last summer the same way.
Domestic dogs are a much bigger problem, as they are sport killers. We occasionally see a coyote around and we often hear them at night. We have three LGDs because of dogs and coyotes. They are present and they are a danger.
Just last month a young woman was mauled and killed by two coyotes in a park in Canada. That is a very rare thing, but they should be taken seriously.
Nicole Carter
Upper Farm Alpacas
Pownal, ME
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hoodwinked
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:01:47 PM
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Here is a web sight that I found when I was searching info on coyotes due to them being close to where we live. http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/coyote_attacks.html
Only once have I seen one in daylight, but at night we can hear them. We have put up a 6 ft. no climb fence around our paddock with chicken wire attached at the bottom lying on top of the ground to prevent digging under the fence. Also if you have an old radio, put it in a container to protect it from the elements and turn on good ole "Rush". Leave it on all night or 24-7. Coyotes usually will stay away if they hear voices.
Usually coyote attacks on people occur when a coyote has become comfortable around people, often as a result of people feeding them. Even as innocent as leaving there dogs food out for their dogs, not intending to feed the coyotes. This could be the case of the coyote going onto your neighbors patio.
Good luck, Sue
Terry & Sue Hart
SunRise Suris
Vinton, IA
319 784-7847
319 310-7705
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Christiane
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:57:27 PM
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When I got started in Alpacas in 2003, several neighbors told me about seeing coyotes outside my fence, so I got an Anatolian. Now I have two, and I don't think any critter wants to mess with either of them. They weigh in at 135 pounds each now,and the pup will be at least 150 when he is grown up. I can tell by their bark--and they only bark when they have a reason to do so--if there is something I should check on. I don't have a gun, but with those two LSGs and my German Shepherds, who also tend to bark when anything is "out there", I have quite an arsenal and I don't think people or four legged critters want to deal with them.
Christiane Rudolf
Tanglewood Farm
19741 Victory Lane
Fayetteville, Ohio 45118
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gatewayfarm
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 5:23:58 PM
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Originally posted by hoodwinked
turn on good ole "Rush". Leave it on all night or 24-7. Coyotes usually will stay away if they hear voices.
I'd stay away too, if I had to listen to Rush 24-7.
Does this ruin the alpacas' temperment? I mean, they are "gentle and curious creatures" by nature. What does a heavy dose of Rush do to that?
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"Al Qaeda has unleashed a stream of verbal attacks against President Obama, calling him names and saying his policies will all end in failure. Well, who do these people think they are, Rush Limbaugh?" --Jay Leno
Gateway Farm
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Judith
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:17:49 PM
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Gotta agree with John here! Last thing I'd want would be to indoctrinate my alps too. Given the political climate in this household, they'd kill me when it was time for chow in the morning. Do you suppose coyotes would be leary of swing music?
Judith Korff
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LadySong Suris
Randolph, NY 14772
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Paradise
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Christiane
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 08:16:51 AM
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Actually, it would be fun to see the alps swing dancing their ways across the pasture. They do some pretty awesome leaps now. That might scare the coyotes away. Then, of course, maybe the coyotes would be swing dancing with the alps. That is way too funny to think about. I prefer to keep them at bay. Maybe some heavy metal would be scarier to them--I know I don't like it.
Christiane Rudolf
Tanglewood Farm
19741 Victory Lane
Fayetteville, Ohio 45118
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julieandken
508 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 08:30:48 AM
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....and of course, the lesser used herdsires would be constantly harping on the "top dog" to provide his ARI cert to prove that he really is "full Peruvian". Color contamination would take on a whole new meaning. We could expect to see exhibitors toting weapons to shows so that if their animals lose, they get to assert their second amendment rights and half of them would try to shout down the judge in her "reasons".
Ken
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Originally posted by Paradise
All the white males would be walking around pissed off and complaining that you give the non white animals more food, and that all the females do is have babies.
Laura Hillman
Paradise Alpacas
Hempstead, TX
979-826-9559
www.alpacanation.com/paradisealpacasoftx.asp
Julie and Ken Rosenfeld, MD
Renaissance Ridge Alpacas
Mount Aukum, CA
www.renaissanceridgealpacas.com
530-620-7934
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JimR
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hoodwinked
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MoonSuri
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 6:54:19 PM
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That's so funny.
Sue, glad you finished it off with chicken wire. I just sleep better knowing it's there. Also check around the gates for gaps they could get through.
I have a pack around my place, too, and they got my outdoor kittie as he rounded the boys pasture. I think they had figured out how to easily catch him off guard and corner him. It was dark and I couldn't do a thing but yell. It was over so fast.
When I was out in Phoenix walking my shih tzu, he had stopped to do his little thing. I sensed something out of the corner of my eye. There she was, ready to pounce, right in the city in broad daylight, about two feet from us. She was very thin and I have never forgotten her look. It was as though she was pleading, "Please, it's an old dog, and I am just so hungry," probably with pups to feed. Too bad - I grabbed my dog and ran. Then I drove around the neighborhood warning others walking their dogs. I saw the coyote rummaging through the trash a few blocks away, then dashing off into the golf course, probably looking for rabbits, and I couldn't help feeling sorry for her.
But anyway, yes, I think they would kill a cria if they were hungry enough.
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