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mcdiamond45
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 Posted - 11/05/2009 : 09:36:26 AM
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A friend has a brown dam who was bred to a rose grey male and had a BEW cria recently. It is now time to breed her again and wants to use our herdsire that is a light to medium fawn color. Would this be a good choice in trying to avoid another BEW or should she stick with dark colored herdsires?
Cindy McDermott
Suncrest Orchard Alpacas, LLC
Palisade, Co
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kipaca
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Heidi Christensen
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mcdiamond45
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:52:06 PM
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Yes the dam has a white spot on her abdomen and our hersire has a white spot in his topknot.
Cindy McDermott
Suncrest Orchard Alpacas, LLC
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jillmcm
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 2:05:19 PM
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The problem is breeding two animals with white spots together - not whether the animals are light or dark. Because her dam has the white spot gene, she needs to be bred to a solid animal darker than white to avoid the chance of making a BEW (darker than white only because you can't tell if a white animal has the white spot gene).
As long as your fawn animal has no white spots anywhere, he would be considered a solid and would be fine to breed to the dam to avoid making a BEW.
Jill McElderry-Maxwell
Bag End Suri Alpacas of Maine - ¡BESAME!
Benton, ME
(207) 453-0109
bagendsuris@roadrunner.com
http://www.alpacanation.com/bagendsuri.asp
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kipaca
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mcdiamond45
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 10:53:56 PM
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Thanks for the information. We will explore other options for breeding.
Cindy McDermott
Suncrest Orchard Alpacas, LLC
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nyala
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 06:53:47 AM
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Hi,
The chance that they would have a BEW together is 25%. That is a little bit too high for most folks.
Ann
D. Andrew Merriwether, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Anthropology and Biology, Binghamton University
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Ann and Andy Merriwether
Nyala Farm Alpacas,Vestal, NY
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APacaFunFarm
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 09:45:35 AM
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Originally posted by nyala
Hi,
The chance that they would have a BEW together is 25%. That is a little bit too high for most folks.
Ann
As a rule of thumb I agree with Ann. Having said that, not all "white spot" animals breed the same way.
There is more than a single "white spot" phenotype (i.e. pinto, solid with a white spot, tuxedo gray), and "mixing and matching" these various white spot phenotypes doesn't always produce BEW.
Having said that, this particular pairing, "the dam has a white spot on her abdomen and our herdsire has a white spot in his topknot" likely will produce BEW 25% of the time.
Neil
A Paca Fun Farm
Dickerson,MD
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nyala
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Posted - 11/18/2009 : 08:03:25 AM
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The only thing you have to worry about is that you breed her to a male with NO hint of white anywhere on any of the extremities. This includes some all-whites as they may have white spots on a white background. BEWs are made by crossing two animals with white spot alleles (that make white markings at the extremities). Your dam must carry this allele. Does she have any white on her (no matter how tiny)? So bred to a solid fawn with no hint of white on it, you should be fine.
Andy
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Originally posted by mcdiamond45
A friend has a brown dam who was bred to a rose grey male and had a BEW cria recently. It is now time to breed her again and wants to use our herdsire that is a light to medium fawn color. Would this be a good choice in trying to avoid another BEW or should she stick with dark colored herdsires?
Cindy McDermott
Suncrest Orchard Alpacas, LLC
Palisade, Co
D. Andrew Merriwether, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Anthropology and Biology, Binghamton University
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Ann and Andy Merriwether
Nyala Farm Alpacas,Vestal, NY
www.alpacanation.com/nyalafarm.asp |
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Country Roads Alpacas
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Posted - 11/20/2009 : 4:09:50 PM
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The advice you got is probably safe, but a Fawn could also have a white spot you can't see, like between the toes, on the penis etc. I would look at what the males have been bred to and see if any of the white spots they bred to had a BEW. Otherwise, the farms who breed white alpacas, would also be afraid to breed their white animals to each other. I have white who have bred to white spot and never produced a white spot much less a BEW. That just means the female didn't throw it much less both. In fact I have a Rose grey and a white coming this saturday from Tennessee to breed. This makes the second time here for them and they are accompanied by a nice solid brown cria out of the Rose gray Dam that has a big old white spot that Helen Keller could see. I have solid Fawn and True black Male but for the third and fourth time, they want to breed back to the white Full Accoyo color producer. So, breed to solid after research and the safest way would be abstention.
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Originally posted by mcdiamond45
A friend has a brown dam who was bred to a rose grey male and had a BEW cria recently. It is now time to breed her again and wants to use our herdsire that is a light to medium fawn color. Would this be a good choice in trying to avoid another BEW or should she stick with dark colored herdsires?
Cindy McDermott
Suncrest Orchard Alpacas, LLC
Palisade, Co
Charlie Mayo
Ohio Valley/tri-state area Oh,Ky,Wv
CharlieM87@aol.com
http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?name=13716 |
Edited by - Country Roads Alpacas on 11/20/2009 4:22:45 PM |
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